allthatineeded
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Post by allthatineeded on Jan 21, 2009 9:59:26 GMT -5
The only thing worse than someone coming on here and flat out insulting people under the protection of "expressing their opinion" is someone who is doing it covertly by making some snarky comment they think is amusing (cough...yves). Sorry man, just calling it like I see it.
Kristian, sure your entitled to your opinion and maybe 5% of the "Shannon is God" people will agree with you. Fact is the majority of people here don't agree and are enjoying Travis and the new incarnation of BM. I agree with you that FMF isn't at the level of the Shannon era discs but I also beleive that if Shannon was still around they'd still have trouble reaching that level. Very few bands can maintain a whole career of unique, amazing discs. I will say that I do not think everything BM did was amazing, there are a few songs on all of the CDs that aren't totally amazing, I know a lot of people here may disagree, that is fine, just my opinion.
For me personally, BM was not about Shannon. It was more about CT and Rogers amazing interplay of riffs, Brad's melodic base lines (a rarity in music these days) and Glenn's fill within a fill drumming. Lyrically I didn't always relate to Shannon, not that his lyrics weren't good, just not my state of mind (thank god because look where that left him).
So Travis isn't your cup of tea, that is too bad but from the sound of it I don't think you'd accept any other singer than Shannon. So does that mean you think the band should give up? I hope not because the 7 shows I saw last year were 7 of my top 10 musical moments in 2008. Regarding the lack of jamming on the latest tours, I have heard some shows with great jams on Wishing Well, No Rain Ripped Away and of course Time.
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melondew
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Post by melondew on Jan 21, 2009 10:01:43 GMT -5
What/who is better, what/who is worse....who f*cking cares? I'll never understand how some people can be so stuck in the past and unable to let go and move on. BM is what BM is now. If you don't like it, don't listen.
Oh and Kristian telling me to go F- myself isn't really offensive as I'm single and haven't much choice. Not gonna ride anybody's d- though. I just don't play on that team, not that there's anything wrong with anyone that does, mind you. Maybe I'm a sheep too, I like sheep, sheep are great when you don't have g/f. Dude, for somebody telling everybody else to get a life, you're spending an awful lot of time getting all fired up, writing long and passionate posts and rebuttals. Don't YOU have anything better to do? Maybe go practice all those instruments you know how to play and try writing a record that pleases everybody in the whole f*cking world. God knows a person of your wisdom, knowledge and worldlyness should be able to handle a task like that.
Rogers post was hilarious. I'm trying to have faith and hope that these few shortsighted individuals will not discourage further efforts on the bands part. But God damn I would understand if it did. What a pain in the ass. You try to go out and do something new, give it it's own character and give the fans what they've been asking for for 13 years...NEW MUSIC, and you get ppl that can't stop themselves from bitching about it. The premise of this whole thread just irritates me right to the core!
But hey, I guess that's the downside of a forum. It's a public thing and people have a right to express their opinions, no matter how much it annoys the living f*ck out of the rest of us. There's still plenty of upsides(like all the bootleg stuff and you know, USEFULL and informative threads) this place will always be cool in my book.
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Post by tripticket on Jan 21, 2009 10:29:57 GMT -5
Kristen. I do believe the 2 meter session quote was miss quoted. I think Rogers said "what if we were in a Real STUDIO"... not "real band". I'd probably react the same if a band member were giving up so quickly and was just walking out on us. Wasting ALOT of people's time and money! I agree with lovejoy. From interviews, the book ..all that... i've also gathered that Rogers was probably closest to Shannon. Shannon seemed to walk around w/ one arm ready to hug u, and the other half cocked to clock u lol. Rogers had this knack of dismantling the latter with witty banter. If you watch Shannon's reaction to the 2 meter comment... he smiled....and returned.... Also... u can hear CT in the background saying "no...no...." trying to coax Shannon back. I think the guys deserve more respect. they put up w/ a fair amount of crap. if i had to deal w/ all that, i'd shave my head like rogers cause i'm sure i'd have patches missing from pulling clumps out. These guys give soooo much back to their fans, we should be greatful! Soooooooo. Since this is the Honest thread. I have held a couple things in. I saw the last show of their first 11-12 in the fall of 2007. There were a couple spots where i thought i saw some Shannon-esque moves.... and kinda went "hmmmm". I mentioned what i thought i saw to a friend in private, but that was it. I saw 4 more shows in Early March, and noticed nothing. As i think back on it, it's not a big deal. The guys back in the day admitted to ripping TONS of bands off. That they were just a mixture of all their influences, they said. What band isn't?! So take Travis, who's is a Huge SHannon fan.... it'd be natural to have a few Shannon things filter out, eh. It's a natural thing to compare Old to New. But i think that's where we'd all miss out on the New, because there is No Comparison to the old. Shannon was as talented as a Joplin/Morrison w/ a mountain of rage mixed in. Rogers put it best in saying that "Christ could have come down from the cross singing like Robert Plant, and it still wouldn't have been right" (mind u this was after dealing w/ Shannon's loss...not since the reformation). I think no matter what, if we compare old to new.... u'd be disappointed everytime, no matter who the singer is. I love FMF. I thought it had a solid flow from song to song until after Harmful. I can't put my finger on it. After i learned what Last Laugh is about... i couldnt help but love it. and i LOVE Cheetum! I like So High too!(on the album)... I remember in March it was part of the set for the first 2 shows i saw... but when it came up, it seemed to take the show down a notch (don't know why). I remember the guys told us after one of the shows that they probably wouldn't play it live anymore. I don't remember what their reason was. If there were a downside to FMF, it'd be what i've mentioned already. My absolute FAVORITE SONG is Down On the Pharmacy. That song is a Freakin ANTHEM live! a great encore tune! They played it Live in March often, and it was Awesome! I remember thinking....oh, he's singing the chorus different now... mind u it was b4 the official release of the album, so i was still used to how Travis sang it on the OINK download. I actually like that version better, but think maybe it was harder on his voice. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that they didn't jam as they used to.... They seem to still on Time, Ripped... and i have versions of Wishing Well where they break off a bit. They have soo much material to run through that they'd probably be cutting into other songs if they went into 10-15 mins jams(thought now and again would be GREAT!). We are fortunate to hear about 17-19 Melon songs a SHOW! in about a 2hr span be well! oh i also meant to say i wish Extra Virgin had more legs! there was the right Emotion in the tunes i've heard. just wish there was more!
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allthatineeded
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Post by allthatineeded on Jan 21, 2009 10:53:53 GMT -5
Since it was brought up, I also agree Extra Virgin didn't get its due. I liked the band a lot. I kept waiting for a weekend show to try to catch them live but they always played in the middle of the week. The one time they had a weekend show scheduled I was all set to go but then 9/11 happened and the show got cancelled. They put out a lot of great songs, "Fat Laces", "Palm Reader", "20 Days", "Ghost", "Velvet Pills", damn, I think I need to cue some EV up into my player to listen to today. If anybody has a boot of EV with "Last Time I Heard Your Name" you'll know where that intro riff for "Hypnotized" came from.
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Post by breck20 on Jan 21, 2009 13:08:25 GMT -5
Kristian, you really sound like you have a beef with Rogers! Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. Just as you wish to express yourself, so does everyone else. Can't take it, don't dish it. As far as the 2 Meter deal, I never thought Rogers was being a dick. Think of your situations with your best friends. Haven't you ever had to coax a friend out of a fight or to do something? Rogers and Shannon were close, so he spoke to him as I believe any of us would to someone we were close to. Trying to say "Hey man, calm down, think about it for a sec, we'll get it". Everything we have ever read about Shannon said he was like a switch, hot one second, calm(er) the next, so, it took a special person to talk to him. Everything we have read says the main people were Nel, Lisa, and Rogers. It only made sense to me that he would try to talk him down. Just my 2 cents. Trying to give your melon another angle to think about.
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Bam~Melon
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Post by Bam~Melon on Jan 21, 2009 14:28:12 GMT -5
Honestly for me, Blind Melon has always been about Shannon and his ability to emotionally move me more than any other vocalist has ever done and Rogers and his bodily moves on stage and on that guitar, CT and watching his fingers go, Brad and the enthusiasm he shows in his face,& Glen for filling it all in. Then Travis for being the link to bring it back. Not just Shannon~but all 5 of them and what they individually brought to the table. Blind Melon is for sure my favorite band and always will be, because if not for Melon and their lyrics I may have never discovered what music has the potential to do to someones soul. Hell I learned to dance from Shannon, so I know when I jam out to the old stuff, I must look like I'm ripping him off, but that's what their music does to my dance moves, it takes me back to a long ago day. I think most of us here have a very broad liking to ALL types of music and many great bands are discussed here. From what I see there is more than Melon music and stories being shared here at the forum. I see lots of good stuff in the "Related" thread, I also see people talking about what's in their DVD player and what they are currently eating and drinking. Trivia threads that go on for pages, a community of people who were brought together by a common liking to Blind Melon.
I'm NOT trying ride anyones anything, I'm here at this forum because I am a Blind Melon fan and I enjoy the hell out of this forum and I AM very grateful to those who are responsible for giving us this place.
Peace everyone #hoonsmiley#
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Post by breck20 on Jan 21, 2009 15:26:32 GMT -5
Well I'm back just say this , I have no beef with NO ONE, especially not Rogers or anyone in the band or on this board. I just said the album lacked something, it's not standard of Melon I'm used to. How about , everyone comes on here and says " Blind Melon is the best ever, and FOR MY FRIENDS is the best album ever, and every song is the best ever." There can only be one best or you can only one favorite. I listened to the album again today, and now I ever like it less than I did yesterday. I just don't feel it. Life isn't always puppy dogs and kitty cats. There is reality and in my reality, this album blows and it's not because of Travis, I think he is really good. Right now in my life, this isn't my kind of music. Some of it jams, good riffing and sweet bass lines, but there is something gone. As for Rogers being a dictator, whatever, he's been called worse by alot better of a person than me., Hes got think skin, he can take it and he's not losing any sleep over some jackass calling him a dictator. When I saw these guys in concert, the music was awesome, all of it, why cause I was watching my 4 rock heroes jamming on stage for the first time and I was blown away. They could been up there playing Kenny Rogers or Mariah Carey for all I care. It was just so cool watching these guys playing live. New or old songs, it don't matter, it all sounded great{@ the Chameleon Club in Lancaster, PA}. Last time I checked I was in America were I can speak my opinion as long as it popular belief of all other Melon fan, come on. Most of you on here know me and my taste for music and my passion for BLIND MELON and the respect I have for all of them and I think it's really cool that Rogers lets us in the loop going ons of the band. So in short, I apologize for calling Rogers a dictator and offended soo many people, but it does seem to be alot of ass-kissing going on around or all you people just so happy and grateful all the time. Band/fan interaction is great, but some people act like these guys are their family or best friends. We are fans, the meal ticket, without us there would be no blind melon reunion. You are totally entitled to what you feel about the album and your being able to say it. I wasn't trying to comment on that. Others here love it, you don't, that is ok. Your opinion definately doesn't have to be the same as everyone elses on here. Alot of people here love Cheetum St., I personally, think it doesn't fit at all and don't enjoy it. And that is ok! I only commented b/c I wanted to give you maybe another angle on the whole Rogers thing. Just facilitating discussion. No harm intended. Some of the people on the forum do know the guys well enough to call them friends, though. I think most people just commented because your other post was, as foreverlights said, a bit confronting. So, enjoy the music you like and keep on discussing. Difference is what makes us unique.
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Post by 8807 on Jan 21, 2009 16:30:49 GMT -5
I could live without Cheetum Street. Jeez,If I only listened to Blind Melon forever & didn't enjoy any other music,that would be sad case for a mental institution.Anywhere I go,whateverI listen to or whatever I do,I'm looking at it through the prism of being a Melon.I will always come back to Blind Melon because they are my favorite band,for wharever reason,I don't know.
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Post by VintageMelon on Jan 21, 2009 16:36:56 GMT -5
I was gonna say "Sig Hail!!!" but knew I wasn't spelling it right. Kristian....1st off I wanna say that when I had my daughter, Melony would have been her name except that my sister is Melanie so I went with Shannon. I told Rogers that 8 yrs ago when I was pregnant with her. 2nd...I'm not sure how old you are but I've seen many Grateful Dead shows myself and the band members are all older than me except Rogers and Travis. That includes Shannon. 3rd....you are entitled to your opinions just like all of us but I agree that maybe your way of expressing them may be done a little less confrontationally. I consider myself a HUGE Rogers fan and all of the guys but kissing ass and riding his D have nothing to do with it. (although if he asked nicely... ) See now I WOULDN'T BE ME if I hadn't said that. Personally I do consider BM to be the greatest band ever...that's MY opinion. Like another said, the radio music sucks on 95% of the stations in Philly where I live. Do I love other bands? Of course....I love many others but for me BM is everything. I don't care if our opinions differ since somewhere down the line they likely will. Calling a band member names is gonna cause issues with some of the fans...myself included. I think they've been honest with us and let us in like never before. The vibe with Travis is different because he ISN'T Shannon. My particular opinion is that he's the man for the job. You feel differently, I respect that. No one wants to be singled out and attacked. I guess I'm asking you to try to step back and express your opinion with less venom...people will accept it with a much different reaction. #hoonsmiley# #redlight_unity_02#
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tamara
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Post by tamara on Jan 21, 2009 17:03:53 GMT -5
Wow, I lot of great comments!! I agree with a lot of what the last few posters said (including Kristian) and I think it's opening up a more honest discussion.
No one will ever be Shannon. Period. I don't even try to compare Shannon to Travis, it's not fair. I look at it like "Do I like Blind Melon?" Yes I do. Blind Melon today. That means FMF and the old stuff...and the old stuff the way they do it now. And maybe, possibly, the guys like the fact that Travis is like Shannon. You never know. Maybe they feel it does the old stuff better justice. Maybe it makes them feel more comfortable, or maybe, just like us, it brings back sweet memories. I never really questioned Travis as a frontman until all this shit with him hit the fan.
Shannon is gone, he is no longer an option for this band. I hold him in the highest regard. I LOVED BM and Shannon. And I still do. I don't think he's a "God" and I don't think everything he did was perfect. That doesn't mean I love his music (or him) any less. I also know there is no one who can fill his shoes exactly. And there is no one who could sing for this band who would please every single Blind Melon fan out there.
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~LoveJoy~
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Post by ~LoveJoy~ on Jan 21, 2009 18:43:03 GMT -5
#sunsmilie# ALL I GOTTA SAY IS THAT IT TAKES ONE HELL OF A BAND....PAST,PRESENT,AND FUTURE TO STIR UP THIS MUCH EMOTION!!!!!! #pillowfight# #bradsmilie# #blahblahsmilie#
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Post by Meredith on Jan 21, 2009 20:22:12 GMT -5
I second that Lovejoy!
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Hoonaholic
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Post by Hoonaholic on Jan 21, 2009 21:23:11 GMT -5
"everything matters, except the things that dont" and i think all this just really dont matter, if you dont like the music, dont listen, if you do, enjoy it....its pretty smiple, no need to make things personal...people can say what they want, im not picking sides, because everyone has vaild points, but theres no reason why the two sides cant meet, With a red light shinning on...a little unity.
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Post by GRUMPIN on Jan 21, 2009 23:30:23 GMT -5
Re: Honest Feelings Toward The New 'Blind Melon' « Reply #25 Yesterday at 11:28pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yesterday at 7:22pm, grumpin wrote: I agree with Owen, they don't jam like they use to. People get older so I'll drum it up to that. Who knows. But Rogers being the dictator of the band? C'mon, thats gotta be a joke right? I've followed Melon since 1992 and never have thought that. Although I respect everyones opinion, I think Kristian is just making noise for the sake of it.
"Yea verily I proclaim that there shalt be no more "jamming', lest the great unwashed masses rise up and enjoy themselves."......Benito Bonaparte Stevens (2009) « Last Edit: Yesterday at 11:29pm by rogersstevens »
FUCK.....did I piss off rogers? i see he responded to my post. ah geez. thats all i need. the big man comin' after me...not my intentions
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Keith
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Post by Keith on Jan 22, 2009 0:38:49 GMT -5
"Yea verily I proclaim that there shalt be no more "jamming', lest the great unwashed masses rise up and enjoy themselves."......Benito Bonaparte Stevens (2009) yea verily....nice.
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