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Post by owenl28 on Jan 20, 2009 19:09:17 GMT -5
To stay on the topic of the thread, I have seen the "new" Melon four times this year. I also have spent a lot of time listening to bootlegs of old Melon. I don't notice the band as a whole just "jamming" during songs like they used to. That to me has nowhere near as much to do with the singer as the band as a whole. I'm not complaning, just an observation, this seemed like the right place to bring this up.
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Post by GRUMPIN on Jan 20, 2009 19:22:12 GMT -5
I agree with Owen, they don't jam like they use to. People get older so I'll drum it up to that. Who knows. But Rogers being the dictator of the band? C'mon, thats gotta be a joke right? I've followed Melon since 1992 and never have thought that. Although I respect everyones opinion, I think Kristian is just making noise for the sake of it.
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Post by Meredith on Jan 20, 2009 19:46:36 GMT -5
I fucking LOVE Rogers. He takes care of us fans. He looks out for us and is the first one to jump on this forum and straighten out rumors and bullshit. He is like a spokesperson. This guy doesn't have to give a shit about this forum or any of us....but he does. He really cares about Blind Melon and the fans. He's not a dictator, he's responsible, and professional, and steps up to the plate when he needs to. I will stand by that guy 100% no matter what because he has done that for us Fans.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but I just couldn't stand by and accept any negative comment about someone I respect so much.
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Post by heidiann on Jan 20, 2009 20:07:58 GMT -5
I'm going with Meredith on this one!
I seriously just laughed out loud when I read that. When I hear dictator....Hitler comes to mind. Not getting the dictator vibe from Rogers. Plus....I don't think the other band members would allow it.......ROGERS ROCKS!
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Post by 8807 on Jan 20, 2009 20:25:50 GMT -5
I think I remember reading something where one of the Band members said that they felt like the 1st record was really just one big jam session & that on the 2nd record they had more of a real producer working with them & that new Orleans did seap into that record.Nico is a bit of everything to me & it's all magic.That cd became my Best Friend. As far as stretching songs out like they used to or even putting parts of other songs into the performance of Their own tunes,I agree they don't jam like that really now.They still stretch out the beginning of the Ripped Away Version big time.I couldn't have asked for a better show each of the 4 times I have seen them.They are Freaking awesome Live.There is nothing like being there.I think they are just as heavy as they've always been or want to be.It's all just Damn Good Hard Rock to me.
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Post by Karen on Jan 20, 2009 20:50:24 GMT -5
I'm also with Meredith. Rogers has always been so cool with the fans. He goes above and beyond to hang out with fans. I have been to over 30 shows and I have seen Rogers after EVERY show, whether it is 10 degrees or 100 degrees outside. Rogers always takes the time to make each fan feel special, in my opinion. At least that's always how I feel when he's talking to us.
I also agree that he is the spokesperson for the band, not the dictator. No one in this band owes us anything. Rogers takes the time out of his life to keep us in the loop, help us when he can and correct things when need be. Remember all the problems with the merch vendor? Rogers was the first one to get on the line and straighten it out. I can think of many instances like this. I don't think a dictator would care about fans that much.
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Post by ~LoveJoy~ on Jan 20, 2009 22:40:42 GMT -5
well, ill get in on this cause i love the band and while opinions are great, i just dont see the point of comin on here and bashin the band...has anyone here been lucky enough to actually observe the whole creative process they go through t give us their music...its just a little closed minded to me to have an opinion of a person based on random clips on youtube. however, since we are making assumptions based on random clips, i agree that rogers appeared to know how to talk to shannon...there are several references in the book about their relationship and that they were close because rogers wasnt intimidated when shannon got an attitude...in the book it said when they first met shannon tried to pick a fight with him and he just laughed at him..he said if hed taken shannon seriously there would probably have been no blind melon.Oh and the jam stuff, let me make another assumption while im at it, maybe their not high out of their mind now and can tell when to end the song!! however i love a good jam!! this stuff is so crazy ...we have blind melon with shannon and we have blind melon with travis...i guess some people just want to keep the rest of the guys locked up and watch them suffer by not using their amazing talent just because they are too afraid to jump out of their box and let the music live!! i love melon fans and i love melon old and new...peace!! #redlight_unity_02#
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Post by rogersstevens on Jan 20, 2009 23:28:37 GMT -5
I agree with Owen, they don't jam like they use to. People get older so I'll drum it up to that. Who knows. But Rogers being the dictator of the band? C'mon, thats gotta be a joke right? I've followed Melon since 1992 and never have thought that. Although I respect everyones opinion, I think Kristian is just making noise for the sake of it. "Yea verily I proclaim that there shalt be no more "jamming', lest the great unwashed masses rise up and enjoy themselves."......Benito Bonaparte Stevens (2009)
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Post by yves on Jan 20, 2009 23:32:38 GMT -5
so we are on agreement that Travis T. is ripping off someone, maybe that is the travesty , . You just called Travis T a travesty? Maybe he should change his name to "Travesty Warren". About Rogers...I have a hard time believing he would make fun of Unified Theory's music. The fact is, when they planned to work with Chris, they were going to add 4 Unified Theory songs to their live set. 10 years ago, I'd mentionned to Rogers that I was working on my own songs. He asked me to send him a demo to check it out. Looking back, my efforts were heartfelt, but very raw and even a bit bland. He wrote me a bit of a review that was really encouraging. A couple years later, I was headed to NYC and he sent me his number and told me to call when I got there. Most have heard that story, so I wont go into it...but needless to say, Rogers isn't the prick you've made him out to be. He's got a great sense of humour and is down to earth. I give him 3 thumbs up.
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Post by Bam~Melon on Jan 21, 2009 0:23:35 GMT -5
Too funny, a dictator #lmao# Rogers is my absolute favorite, his side of the stage is where I always try and aim for. I absolutely LOVE Rogers, he ROCKS #smilierogers#
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Post by Vince on Jan 21, 2009 1:46:57 GMT -5
Come on Kristian I understand you are disapointed cuz Chris Shinn won't be the new BM singer but let the guys make their own decision. It's their future afterall. I'm sure they do their best to find someone they will be happy to work with. I'd personnaly have been very interested to see what Shinn could bring to the band. They didn't chose him. Maybe it's Rogers who didn't want, maybe not. So what? A few years after Shannon died, the same thing happen when Rogers met Rene Lopez and wanted him to sing for Blind Melon. That's life Everything will be okay Kristian
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Post by tamara on Jan 21, 2009 3:46:33 GMT -5
It's hard to absorb someone's options when they are so crassly presented.
First time I saw Travis with BM I thought some of his mannerisms were like Shannon's. I also thought it was unnecessary because he was talented enough on his own to not need to be anyone but himself. But it was so new for everyone. Not really a big deal. I left thinking "That was pretty damn good!!" The next 3 times I saw BM, I wasn't seeing Shannon anymore. I saw Travis, who did old BM justice as well as present something new. No matter how you cut it, old or new BM...you need someone who's going to sing the old stuff kinda like Shannon. KINDA like Shannon. Because if someone was singing the old BM tunes and they sounded noting like you remembered you'd likely be pissed and unsatisfied.
As far as a dictator goes...Blind Melon are 5 dudes. Five grown men. If they're letting that happen maybe they don't really mind...or they need to grow a huge set of gonads. I would like to think at this point in their lives they're able to speak up for themselves and not be bullied around by one person in the band. I've met Rogers a few times and I thought he was pretty cool...or at least he told me I did.
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Post by foreverlights on Jan 21, 2009 4:13:35 GMT -5
I admire your honesty Kristian, even though it comes across as a bit confronting... in my opinion you make some very good points, and some poor ones too, but i think that is the point of forums, letting things out and being honest... if everything was sugar-coated, what would be the point, there is only so much u can say how much u miss Shannon for instance... i have recently seen a few threads started up to debate a topic and there has been not one person to take the other side, in essense, starting a one-sided argument, which is hilarious to read... think Jim Carrey in Me, Myself and Irene, if u are acting positive all the time u are goin to blow at some point, and it is not healthy to think on those terms... furthermore, citing another Carrey film, the Yes Man, i think that too many people are too quick to say Yes to whatever decisions the boys make... it seems on concensus that every song they release is better than the last...
i think it is unfair for Kristian to claim Rogers is a dictator without knowing him personally... to me he seems a good bloke with a great sense of humour... however i also think it is unfair for the vast majority to kid themselves that this new incarnation comes anywhere close to Shannon's era, or anywhere close to its potential... i seriously couldnt do that, lie to myself that is... Kristian said it perfectly that there is much better music out there than the new Blind Melon, and depriving yourself of it by thinking BM is the benchmark, i feel really sorry for u, whoever you are... they may have been the greatest thing in the 90s, but they have a long way to get back to the top, and Travis in my belief is not the key... for those who say, "there so much shit out there on the radio at the moment, how can u say there is anything better then the FMF record" should get off ur arses and do a bit of searchin cause there has been no such thing as good radio music since the 60s... there are plenty of decent bands out there if u look... the original members however do have the potential to make great music again, they can be the best again...
the BM boys deserve the right to hear the absolute truth when they put something out, cause it represents them... they are professionals, they can handle it, that is the only way they will make better albums... there HAS to be more people out there who feel the same, but are too afraid to come forward, i know i didnt want to originally, i wanted to believe they would come good, but it had nothing on the old stuff, and i expected nothing less...
i agree that Travis is attempting to be too much like Shannon, and it doesnt work the next time around... why not do your own take on the vocals to old tunes, change it a bit... use Out on The Tiles as a precedent, Shannon (and the band) took that song to a different place ocally and musically when they could have easily produced a carbon-copy... i did enjoy how the guys branched out onto new instruments on FMF, like they had started to do in Soup, but in my opinion Travis' raspy vocals, and the bands focus on reworking mostly Travis' solo stuff couldnt match the charm, talent and natural twang of Shannon... in conclusion i believe his vocals dont match BM's sound... he may be good on his own, or reproducing old songs pitch perfect in a live situation, but that is not BM, as Kristian says, it is more like a cover band... I have expressed before my curiousness to hear Shinn, and i accept they didnt want to go on with him, but there has to be a vocalist out there that can bring originality to the band, and grow with them... Travis seems more occupied with writing solo stuff, as witnessed in the flurry of new songs, and coupled with his little premature postings, this reflects he has his priorities elsewhere...
about the Cody thing Kristian, he was justly dismissed for threatening physical violence against a moderator, not because of his opinions...
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Post by Meredith on Jan 21, 2009 6:56:29 GMT -5
t Ban me from this site, big deal, Most of you know what I'm saying & where I'm coming from. And the other's of you that just ride there d's for I have know reason why , go f yourselves. Comments like go F yourselves and ride there d's are not appreciated here Kristian. You are entitled to you opinion all you want but flaming other forum members for their opinions or how they feel is not acceptable. Take a deep breath, walk away, and come back to this when you had time to cool off.
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Post by yves on Jan 21, 2009 7:57:06 GMT -5
looks like someone forgot to take his meds.
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