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Post by azrael on Jun 20, 2006 15:44:26 GMT -5
...go on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2006 15:49:48 GMT -5
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Post by azrael on Jun 20, 2006 16:03:27 GMT -5
I'm going to exhalt you for refering to God as She, though it's not either (technically), better She than He, break down those patriarchal oppressors! Feminism isn't done yet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2006 16:07:50 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by christian12475 on Jun 20, 2006 20:51:08 GMT -5
I have this vhs tape, Shannon say in an interview about the obstacles that drugs and alcohol has put before him " he says, " I would probably be, I mean I would be a better Christian without the obstacles that drugs and alcohol have placed before me. It was from an interview with a chick from Much Music and Shannon says this Rogers say something like "Heroine, once it gets ahold of you you're fucked. Which then I read in an interview with Brad & Chris they says that he didn't do heroine, cocaine was as always his drug of choice. But Anyway I Shannon was raised to be a good Christian but the pitfalls that come along drug abuse, everything but the drugs become shuffled to the bottom of the deck and don't really matter anymore. You kinda loose faith within yourself and Shannon ran out of time before he could find it again.
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Post by ishbell on Jun 21, 2006 11:57:09 GMT -5
I agree.
We all have the divine spark within us. Whatever brings you peace or comfort in a spiritual way is fine by me, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Organized religion, and I'm not only talking christians here, have perpetrated the most atrocities in the name of God. Church and State were and are still allies. It seems that the more right wing your views the more intolerant you are, if your views are moderately left wing the more tolerant your are, at least here in Canada (I hate to generalize).
We all search for a meaning and purpose to this life and Shannon was no different. Unfortunately he found drugs and like many other people, for a time it filled a void in his life. I have a copy of "God's Presence" the one tattooed on his arm hanging on my wall because it's beautiful and it brings me comfort when I feel alone. Shannon seemed quite proud that his great-grandma had written that. Gleaning from the many things he wrote and said I'm fairly sure that he was very spiritual and he was definitely a humanist.
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Post by azrael on Jun 21, 2006 14:48:51 GMT -5
We all have the divine spark within us. I concur wholeheartedly. Whatever brings you peace or comfort in a spiritual way is fine by me, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Organized religion, and I'm not only talking christians here, have perpetrated the most atrocities in the name of God. Church and State were and are still allies. It seems that the more right wing your views the more intolerant you are, if your views are moderately left wing the more tolerant your are, at least here in Canada (I hate to generalize). They certainly have commited some atrocities, but just think of the number of people they have given purpose or happiness to. I don't agree with organised religion, but it fulfils its goals, & that is the true judge of a religion. Anything organised makes mistakes, has the potential to do bad things, it's the not the organisation/church/etc as a whole that's responsible, it's the fault of a few people here & there in power that use underhanded methods to please themself. We all search for a meaning and purpose to this life and Shannon was no different. Unfortunately he found drugs and like many other people, for a time it filled a void in his life. Drugs can be meaning for some people (but that's the postmodernist in me speaking). I do believe it but I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I would say, I doubt it was for Shannon, but some people truly find happiness in drugs, alcohol, self-abuse etc, for various reasons. One man's poison... he was very spiritual and he was definitely a humanist. Agreed.
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Post by ishbell on Jun 21, 2006 17:03:59 GMT -5
Agree somewhat. I'm a product of my experiences having been born in Quebec; I'll explain. From the 40's to the 60's the province was governed by Maurice Duplessis a Conservative who gave a lot of power to the catholic church. The french inhabitants of Quebec were mostly poor and uneducated and were encouraged to colonize the province. They were ordered by the church to not use any form of contraception as preventing conception was considered a mortal sin and you were sure to go to hell. There was an abundance of poor children. When these children were orphaned or could not be cared for by their parents they were placed in mental institutions instead of orphanages, the reason being that mental institutions were more heavily funded then orphanages. This was sanctioned by the church. These children were called "Duplessis' children. Many of them sued and won.
My father was "Metis", half french, half native, his mother was Ojibway and was taken from her native family to be raised by nuns in a residential school where native children were to lose all traces of their "sauvage" nature, all except for the colour of their skin of course. Everyone was aware of the abuses suffered by these children but nothing was done about it. I experienced none of these things but heard a lot about them growing up. My father never set foot in a church unless he was absolutely required to. I have his views on the catholic church; it destroyed many lives and caused extreme suffering. I am spiritual though and do believe in God.
During the 60's something called the "Quiet Revolution" took place in Quebec. The Liberal party took over and the church lost it's power and many reforms took place. The churches became almost empty at that time and remain so still today.
You are right though the church has brought purpose and happiness to many people and the catholic religion is not the only religion.
Agreed, if used recreationally or ritually. But some people can't face the pain of living without blunting reality with drugs or alcohol.
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Post by blindmelon1091 on Jun 21, 2006 17:11:33 GMT -5
That was a really interesting story Ishbell. We don't hear much of that kind of suffering here in the states.
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Post by ishbell on Jun 21, 2006 17:46:07 GMT -5
That was a really interesting story Ishbell. We don't hear much of that kind of suffering here in the states. Thank you, it is interesting. What happened in Quebec is well documented. I thought native people in the States were also sent to residential schools. Maybe it was just a Canadian thing, I'll have to look that up! That's all I'll say on the subject now as I've been long winded again. #waah# #censor# #goodevil#
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Post by Ryan on Jun 21, 2006 18:21:40 GMT -5
The American government definitely forced many Native Americans into those same types of schools. In fact, there is a whole genre of Native American artwork that comes from these schools, and as such, much of their drawings that have been saved are on lined paper. I could go on and on about atrocities done to the natives in this country, but I digress. . . Back on topic: Even though I have a strong disdain for organized religion, it is hard to judge any organization as a whole by any one of its members. There are individuals who adhere to the dogma of the religion, and there are individuals who will exist within those environments, but have their own, independent opinions. To each his/her own. . . Just don't cast the first stone, and we'll all be okay. . .
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Post by ishbell on Jun 22, 2006 7:19:25 GMT -5
The American government definitely forced many Native Americans into those same types of schools. In fact, there is a whole genre of Native American artwork that comes from these schools, and as such, much of their drawings that have been saved are on lined paper. I could go on and on about atrocities done to the natives in this country, but I digress. . . Back on topic: Even though I have a strong disdain for organized religion, it is hard to judge any organization as a whole by any one of its members. There are individuals who adhere to the dogma of the religion, and there are individuals who will exist within those environments, but have their own, independent opinions. To each his/her own. . . Just don't cast the first stone, and we'll all be okay. . . Me cast the first stone neva . I live in a glass house ;)There are folks who belong to organized religion and live their lives accordingly, obey the commandments mostly (none of us are perfect) and do have their own opinions and are kind and giving to the most needy. You're absolutely right each to his or her own, just do no harm. Thanks for the residential school info. It's a subject that is close to my heart but I do tend to ramble sometimes so when I get way off topic feel free to #stick# and I'll mind my mouth #censor#
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Post by azrael on Jun 25, 2006 12:14:11 GMT -5
& if so you would be well-advised not to play naked twister...(just a handy little hint)
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Post by ishbell on Jun 25, 2006 20:05:53 GMT -5
& if so you would be well-advised not to play naked twister...(just a handy little hint) Oops, I never thought of that, think anyone noticed!
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Post by sunpinksky1 on Jul 5, 2006 18:04:08 GMT -5
I know he was brought up baptist. He definitely believed in god and life after death.He may not have considered himself religious,but more of a spiritual person. A very gifted spiritual person. He may have let some of his spiritual struggles show in his music,but everyone has their own personal wars going on at times it doesn't mean in any way he ever gave up on his belief in god or that there was something more to come in the next life. I believe he was a very courageous writer.
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