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Post by Meredith on Mar 22, 2010 7:24:50 GMT -5
I was inspired to make a poll on healthcare as both sides of the debate were so passionate....people's feelings are really coming out over this bill. Yesterday I was getting my oil changed and the guy was all huffing and puffing about this country going down the drain while fox news was on the TV in the lounge....I was scared he would know I was a democrat and mess up my car! He was very intimidating.
So not to stir a debate...and not to create an argument...just curious how people on the forum feel.
I for one am for the bill...when I was little my mom couldn't afford a doctor or dentist. She dug a tumor out of her arm with a knife and still has a big black hole in her arm to prove it. She has also super glued her teeth in when they fell out. Things like this shouldn't go on in our country.
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Post by allthatineeded on Mar 22, 2010 8:20:07 GMT -5
I am all for health care reform but this bill is not it. From what I can see my costs will increase by $1500/year to benefit a lot of people who frankly don't deserve the help because they aren't willing to work for anything. Yes, I know there are many hard-working, deserving people but the fact is this bill will benefit more worthless members of society than anyone else.
Meredith, I have to ask, did you really read the bill? Do you understand what the bill is doing? It is one thing to support the ideal of health care for everyone, that is an admirable stance to take and I support that ideal too. I have read most of the bill and I understand maybe 50% of it, it is hard to understand it all since health care/insurance/economics are not my areas of expertise and if you ever read any bill the political double talk is enough to make your head spin. The biggest problem that I see with THIS bill is it does virtually nothing to address the biggest problem with health care in America, the cost. My solution to the issue in its simplest terms would be to make health care more efficient and reduce costs, use the savings to finance those who are under-insured or not insured at all. Stop expecting those who work hard for their money to pay for those who don't.
In general, I also think they need to impose mandatory drug testing for anyone accepting any form of public aid whatsoever. There are too many people out there who think they can choose to fuck up their lives by doing whatever they want and expect the government to just bail them out. I have a good job and make a good living, my company also has mandatory drug testing so why should anyone benefit from my income if they don't have to meet the same requirements?
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Post by Mr. Sexy on Mar 22, 2010 12:00:28 GMT -5
I'm not from the states one, but I'll offer my opinion.
In Canada, we have Medicare - a system in which all provinces and territories can have their own public system. Though I haven't read the bill for the US as I am completely bored by that stuff, I think if it's anything like Canada's it has it's pros and cons.
Here, you get coverage for visits to a doctor and/or the ER free - that means, if you have any long-term health problem, it's HUGE deal, especially if you have kids.
Any necessary procedure will be covered, but extra-billing will be added if you want added things such as gas or plastic surgery For example, If you have a tumour, they will remove it and give you treatment, but it will be extra to make the scar "invisible"
We pay extra for drugs and limited coverage for dental and eyes -unless you have a work plan or are on assistance. Not bad as most people either have benefits or don't really need them...
The main problem are the waiting times, depending on the situation, it can take a while. The average wait in emergency room is about 1 - 5 + hours. Doctors are in shortage, so often overbooked and can take a long time as well, even with appointment(though some will take situation in consideration) but walk-in offices(covered) usually don't have too long a wait, though less comfortable than a regular family doc.
The care you get is pretty good as well, though there are some asshat doctors which you'll find anywhere... anyway though taxes are taken, for most people it's better than the bills that can result over a year of care.
Also on a personal note, when I was younger my uncle and I were in a bad car accident. Though he died at the scene, I was in a coma for a long time- they were able to fix my many problems resulting from the crash as well as keep me there for recovery. This would have been impossible if we had to pay and I would not be here today.
Also, my brother is autistic and he has many things covered for him and his treatment, doctor visits(including specialists, when by referral).
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Post by Cynful on Mar 22, 2010 17:49:38 GMT -5
I have to say anything involving the government is a touchy topic but i must admit i wish that Meredith's mother didn't have to struggle as she did and that she could of had some form of health care. I know a few people who would benefit from this bill being passed..
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Post by Meredith on Mar 23, 2010 7:21:18 GMT -5
I am all for health care reform but this bill is not it. From what I can see my costs will increase by $1500/year to benefit a lot of people who frankly don't deserve the help because they aren't willing to work for anything. Yes, I know there are many hard-working, deserving people but the fact is this bill will benefit more worthless members of society than anyone else. Meredith, I have to ask, did you really read the bill? Do you understand what the bill is doing? It is one thing to support the ideal of health care for everyone, that is an admirable stance to take and I support that ideal too. I have read most of the bill and I understand maybe 50% of it, it is hard to understand it all since health care/insurance/economics are not my areas of expertise and if you ever read any bill the political double talk is enough to make your head spin. The biggest problem that I see with THIS bill is it does virtually nothing to address the biggest problem with health care in America, the cost. My solution to the issue in its simplest terms would be to make health care more efficient and reduce costs, use the savings to finance those who are under-insured or not insured at all. Stop expecting those who work hard for their money to pay for those who don't. In general, I also think they need to impose mandatory drug testing for anyone accepting any form of public aid whatsoever. There are too many people out there who think they can choose to fuck up their lives by doing whatever they want and expect the government to just bail them out. I have a good job and make a good living, my company also has mandatory drug testing so why should anyone benefit from my income if they don't have to meet the same requirements? I have read the bill and agree I don't understand half of it...I think you would have to be a lawyer to interpret most of it. I agree that a lot of people are abusing the system. I have a familly member who is completely capable of getting off her behind....her fiance too...but they sit back and milk the system because they used to be Addicts....she was just bragging to me about how they could get housing assistance for the rest of their lives if they played the system correctly....I wanted to puke. I love that insurance companies have some regulation now. This is my favorite thing about the new bill. They really do rob you blind....its not fair.
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Post by allthatineeded on Mar 23, 2010 8:04:01 GMT -5
Meredith, I couldn't agree with you more, the best parts of this bill are no gaps in coverage, no dropping pre existing conditions and regulation of the insurance companies. The problem is the bill is so laden with BS it negates the good. Hmm...to quote someone near and dear to all of us, "keep it simple, stupid". Nobody (including democrats) denies this bill will cost 1 TRILLION dollars, well where is that money coming from?? The US is living on credit and if you are or ever have been living off of credit you know where that leads. Our economy cannot support another bubble bursting. I am neither a democrat nor republican, not really a libertarian either. I guess if I had to label it I would classify myself as a "conservative progressive". I love the progressive idea of universal health care but I think we need to be more conservative in our approach. You mentioned Fox news, I used to like them but they have become such a right wing propaganda network with so little actual news I just can't watch it anymore. I think Glen Beck is so ridiculous he is funnier than most comedy shows. Speaking of Beck, this is funny: www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-18-2010/conservative-libertarian
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Post by RedLightUnity on Mar 23, 2010 16:50:51 GMT -5
How can this Melon get G.overnment A.ssistance & housing assistance for being a former addict & where do I sign up?I'm broke but I ain't too proud.
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Post by RedLightUnity on Mar 23, 2010 17:13:33 GMT -5
...and who wants to pay for my drug test?
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Post by RedLightUnity on Mar 24, 2010 6:07:35 GMT -5
Just trying to be funny but it turns out that was just assinine. I voted no.There are definately some good things in the Reform Law (I haven't read it myself)but I can't get over all the things that I don't agree with.I believe it's a big step towards Socialised Healthcare.We have too many Socialists representing us in Washington right now.All I can do is vote,then I can keep My right to complain intact.
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Post by ckay92 on Apr 4, 2010 4:10:15 GMT -5
I don't love the bill, but, its the best we could get. I guess its Fox News and the other propoganda that has people worried about the cost and debt of our nation, for the first time ever. Isn't it funny how we actually are debating, whether we can afford to give everyone health care..yet we give Israel 7 mill'day..spent over a Billion per month in iraq. Its all priorities..we always find money to kill. Our debt is very manageable for a country our size. We had a huge debt in the 1980's and after a good economy in the 1990's we had surpluses. Our entitlement programs will bankrupt this country, yet, any time we want to reform a system..like Social Sec. or Health care...the fear police come out. I dislike the bill because it is basically Bob Dole's health care reform bill of 1993 (the one to counter Hillary care) My question is how did the media, and the public get duped into believing ObamaCare is liberal..it is the Republican's alternative to hillary care..why do the republicans hate it? Politics..they don't want Obama to have a victory..that is sad..we lose again, because its a weak bill because that is all he could get.
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Post by ckay92 on Apr 4, 2010 4:13:03 GMT -5
What is socialist about the bill? There is no public option...the insurance companies get 32 million new customers..they are still for profit? This bill is a lot of things..socialist it is not. Propoganda is an amazing thing...repeat a lie long enough and people will believe anything. Specifically, what is socialist..an individual mandate? I guess auto insurance is socialist
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Post by RedLightUnity on Apr 4, 2010 8:44:07 GMT -5
I think for myself.Our president is a socialist & a rookie.fox news doesn't dictate what I believe or who I vote for.Obamas own words have convinced me.He's a one term president for sure anyway.
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Post by RedLightUnity on Apr 4, 2010 19:02:02 GMT -5
Sorry again Melons.I can get frustrated & angry.I Love to complain just as much as I Love to vote. I'm not always correct in my views but I am definately always opinionated,especially lately.
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