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Post by breck20 on Jan 20, 2009 15:15:44 GMT -5
Thanks, Cody, I didn't know that! But, didn't CT write Soup? I thought he was mad because the song of the same name wasn't the Title track and he thought it was a solid song. Didn't he say that it gives him a good feeling to hear people say how much they loved it because it didn't get put on there and he thought it should be? Maybe I am mixed up, but I thought I read that?
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Post by allthatineeded on Jan 20, 2009 16:14:20 GMT -5
CT wrote the music, Shannon wrote the lyrics.
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Post by Hoonaholic on Jan 20, 2009 16:19:46 GMT -5
Thanks, Cody, I didn't know that! But, didn't CT write Soup? I thought he was mad because the song of the same name wasn't the Title track and he thought it was a solid song. Didn't he say that it gives him a good feeling to hear people say how much they loved it because it didn't get put on there and he thought it should be? Maybe I am mixed up, but I thought I read that? Yeah CT wrote the music exsepct for the outro Rogers wrote while he was writing Vernie. But Brad didnt want the song Soup on the CD from what I'm told, and Brad also didnt want Pull (witch Christopher also wrote the music for and Shannon wrote the lyrics) on the Soup record because he thought it was a mess, And that really annyoed CT because Pull was one of his favroit songs and one of mine too, but i guess they gave into him...
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Post by breck20 on Jan 21, 2009 12:33:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by rogersstevens on Jan 22, 2009 21:02:22 GMT -5
Hey Clarebear, I was just wondering the same thing about Dumptruck and I found this: Well,damn. I was gonna post the quote, but I'm new at this and haven't figured out how to get a quote from one thread to another. Anyway, check out the Shannon thread, topic "Nicesite". It was posted a year ago yesterday by Brick. Here is the post... I am from Lafayette, I went to High School with Shannon...He was one of those bigger than life dudes who died too young. A lot of people around here miss him. In our generation we had Axle Rose "Bill Baily", Izzy Stradlin "Jeff Isabelle", and Shannon come out of this little hick town. Man we had some great Party's here in the late 80's/early 90's. I remember when Shannon and Mike Kelsey "local guitar genius" were jammin' in a band called Stiff Kitten in a basement by Battleground. I recommend trying to get a hold of some of Mikes solo stuff, he has a unique sound. He's a cool dude too. He could have made a huge career if he woulda made it out of this town. I was in a garage band jammin about a mile from Shannons grave when all the memorial's for Shannon were going on, I remember all the VW's commin' through town every year. My grandpa's grave is about 20 feet from his. One of my favorite songs from Shannon was Dump Truck. It was about a friend of mine named Bub. I remember when he got hired on with the county driving a Dumptruck. Bub developed cancer and was getting treatment in New York.. he died shortly after. Mrs. Onasis was a reference to Bub's girlfriend. Jackie loved the hell out of Bub..I loved the hell out of her. We were friends for many years and life kinda faded us apart. I remember skippin school and quite a bit of partyin' with Bub. "Bub I know that you could fly a mile high" Shannon Hoon I hav'nt looked in a few years but last time I checked I think that Caddilac was still sittin' in the back. I was in the local bricklayers union with Dick Hoon, Shannons Dad, I never worked on the same job but knew of him. Met his mom a few times before he died. I went to a garage sale at her house and she showed us the No Rain video before it came out on MTV. She was proud as hell of him. My last memory of Shannon was driving by his Mom's house. He was home visiting. I saw him sittin in her driveway jammin' on his accoustic. I didnt want to bug him so I did'nt stop. I wish I would have. Well enough ramblin' my wifes yelling for me. I stumbled on this site and thought I would share my story. I would like to thank the people who keep it up. I need to show it to her she will love it. She hung out with him a lot before he left town. Cya, Brick This person speaks the truth....I had a long talk with Shannon about "Dumptruck" one night. i couldn't figure out what the hell it was about and he told me the story about Bud. Incidentally, this was the same night we were in NYC at my friend Marlon's house. We were up all night having a big party, and at one point Shannon told me to sit by the answering machine and not let anybody pick up the phone (this was back in the days when answering machines had tapes). I sat there spinning out on whatever trip we were on when all of the sudden the answering machine picks up and Shannon starts talking. He was down at the phone booth (corner of 4th avenue and 11th street) reading "God's Presents" on the machine. We took the tape up to the studio the next day and dropped it into "Carseat". The whole outro to "Dumptruck" came from a different song. I had the little geetar bit and Shannon sang melodies over it. We just stuck it onto the end of the song, which was a Brad piece of music. That song still sounds a little crazy to me. I don't love the arrangement and the music, but there's no denying that Shannon delivered the knockout punch at the end with the lyrics about Bub. I want to cry every time I hear it. The rest of the song is too obscure for my tastes.... This is where we were at the time.... I loved it when Shannon cut through all the freaked out shit that nobody could relate to and delivered a heartfelt lyric like the end of "Dumptruck". He was fucking brilliant at it and would have grown into doing it all the time had he lived longer. This was his talent. This was the part of him that wrote "Change", which is a song that every single human being on the entire planet can relate to. I wish we could have recorded a better version of "Change" for our first record.... The whole issue with "Soup" was a trying time for us. CT wrote the music that started the song...the whole first half with the acoustic guitar. Shannon sang the first half over that and then I had the end part for another song (where the drums and electric guitars come in). We ended up sticking them together and nobody was entirely happy...I wanted the last bit for another song I had arranged, CT had a different idea about where the song should go, and it turned into a big fight. Nobody could agree and the song got put on the backburner, which is totally unfortunate. This is a good example of why we were not a more successful band...we were too far around the bend to make things palatable for easy-listening. All of our decisions were always painful and overwrought...still the same way. We all know now that "Soup" is one of our best songs, but we were too busy tripping over our own asses to figure it out. The part in "Soup" where the song changes where the two bits come together....the part where Shannon resolves the lyric with the word "away"....THAT is the single most emotional moment of any of our songs to me. rogers
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Post by Hoonaholic on Jan 22, 2009 21:23:11 GMT -5
Here is the post... I am from Lafayette, I went to High School with Shannon...He was one of those bigger than life dudes who died too young. A lot of people around here miss him. In our generation we had Axle Rose "Bill Baily", Izzy Stradlin "Jeff Isabelle", and Shannon come out of this little hick town. Man we had some great Party's here in the late 80's/early 90's. I remember when Shannon and Mike Kelsey "local guitar genius" were jammin' in a band called Stiff Kitten in a basement by Battleground. I recommend trying to get a hold of some of Mikes solo stuff, he has a unique sound. He's a cool dude too. He could have made a huge career if he woulda made it out of this town. I was in a garage band jammin about a mile from Shannons grave when all the memorial's for Shannon were going on, I remember all the VW's commin' through town every year. My grandpa's grave is about 20 feet from his. One of my favorite songs from Shannon was Dump Truck. It was about a friend of mine named Bub. I remember when he got hired on with the county driving a Dumptruck. Bub developed cancer and was getting treatment in New York.. he died shortly after. Mrs. Onasis was a reference to Bub's girlfriend. Jackie loved the hell out of Bub..I loved the hell out of her. We were friends for many years and life kinda faded us apart. I remember skippin school and quite a bit of partyin' with Bub. "Bub I know that you could fly a mile high" Shannon Hoon I hav'nt looked in a few years but last time I checked I think that Caddilac was still sittin' in the back. I was in the local bricklayers union with Dick Hoon, Shannons Dad, I never worked on the same job but knew of him. Met his mom a few times before he died. I went to a garage sale at her house and she showed us the No Rain video before it came out on MTV. She was proud as hell of him. My last memory of Shannon was driving by his Mom's house. He was home visiting. I saw him sittin in her driveway jammin' on his accoustic. I didnt want to bug him so I did'nt stop. I wish I would have. Well enough ramblin' my wifes yelling for me. I stumbled on this site and thought I would share my story. I would like to thank the people who keep it up. I need to show it to her she will love it. She hung out with him a lot before he left town. Cya, Brick This person speaks the truth....I had a long talk with Shannon about "Dumptruck" one night. i couldn't figure out what the hell it was about and he told me the story about Bud. Incidentally, this was the same night we were in NYC at my friend Marlon's house. We were up all night having a big party, and at one point Shannon told me to sit by the answering machine and not let anybody pick up the phone (this was back in the days when answering machines had tapes). I sat there spinning out on whatever trip we were on when all of the sudden the answering machine picks up and Shannon starts talking. He was down at the phone booth (corner of 4th avenue and 11th street) reading "God's Presents" on the machine. We took the tape up to the studio the next day and dropped it into "Carseat". The whole outro to "Dumptruck" came from a different song. I had the little geetar bit and Shannon sang melodies over it. We just stuck it onto the end of the song, which was a Brad piece of music. That song still sounds a little crazy to me. I don't love the arrangement and the music, but there's no denying that Shannon delivered the knockout punch at the end with the lyrics about Bub. I want to cry every time I hear it. The rest of the song is too obscure for my tastes.... This is where we were at the time.... I loved it when Shannon cut through all the freaked out shit that nobody could relate to and delivered a heartfelt lyric like the end of "Dumptruck". He was fucking brilliant at it and would have grown into doing it all the time had he lived longer. This was his talent. This was the part of him that wrote "Change", which is a song that every single human being on the entire planet can relate to. I wish we could have recorded a better version of "Change" for our first record.... The whole issue with "Soup" was a trying time for us. CT wrote the music that started the song...the whole first half with the acoustic guitar. Shannon sang the first half over that and then I had the end part for another song (where the drums and electric guitars come in). We ended up sticking them together and nobody was entirely happy...I wanted the last bit for another song I had arranged, CT had a different idea about where the song should go, and it turned into a big fight. Nobody could agree and the song got put on the backburner, which is totally unfortunate. This is a good example of why we were not a more successful band...we were too far around the bend to make things palatable for easy-listening. All of our decisions were always painful and overwrought...still the same way. We all know now that "Soup" is one of our best songs, but we were too busy tripping over our own asses to figure it out. The part in "Soup" where the song changes where the two bits come together....the part where Shannon resolves the lyric with the word "away"....THAT is the single most emotional moment of any of our songs to me. rogers thank you Rogers man, thats awesome that you would take the time to clear all that up for us. your awesome.
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Post by twiztid_3 on Jan 22, 2009 21:32:59 GMT -5
thank you Rogers & Brick for the stories.
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Post by tamara on Jan 22, 2009 21:34:03 GMT -5
Wow. It's so cool to hear the stories behind some of the songs. Really cool post Rogers.
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Post by yves on Jan 22, 2009 22:33:56 GMT -5
Wow. It's so cool to hear the stories behind some of the songs. Really cool post Rogers. I will co-sign this statement.
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Post by clarebear on Jan 22, 2009 23:35:48 GMT -5
rogers, you are awesome. thanks man! ;D
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Post by breck20 on Jan 23, 2009 12:59:33 GMT -5
That is one of the best stories I have heard on here, thanks so much Rogers, for coming here and sharing.
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Post by tyberiusm on Jan 23, 2009 14:29:46 GMT -5
This thread demonstartes what makes this forum such an unbelievable resource for fans of Blind Melon. To discuss what certain songs 'mean' to one person or another amongst fans is one thing, to actually get insight from people who knew Shannon and his family, or from the band themselves, is something else entirely. That is truly special.
THANK YOU to Brick and Rogers for taking the time and allowing us take a glimpse behind the curtain.
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Post by ~LoveJoy~ on Jan 23, 2009 20:23:49 GMT -5
thank you rogers and i couldnt agree more about that part in soup..."away" that always kinda stops me its like that part just kinda slams in your face and you hold your breath a little bit that emotion is so heavy. i agree in all logic it should have been on soup...but it was absolutely perfect and beautiful on nico...i think it was meant to be on nico....with the whole picture that song has so much more emotion and meaning than i think it would have had on soup.
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Post by ladyjane on Jan 24, 2009 0:33:46 GMT -5
ladyjane thank you so much for finding that! ;D No problem,Clarebear. Hey Rogers, How are you? I'm loving this insight about you guys and the music! I was just listening to Car Seat yesterday, and wondered how and where that call came about! That is so crazy and so cool! I know what you mean about the "away" in Soup. Him screaming "I just don't wanna feel" on Dumptruck sounds so full of desperation; so thick you can feel it. ps. anything else you got, I'm all ears; or eyes, rather. So awesome that you joined this discussion! breck20, thanks for puttin up that post for me!
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Post by cloudy on Jan 24, 2009 23:35:45 GMT -5
Thanks to Brick and Rogers...THIS is why I am here..
Rogers - you have no idea how much your explanations mean to us all - please stop by more often...
cloudy
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