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Post by Karen on Dec 30, 2006 11:27:45 GMT -5
I can understand how people feel so stongly about the death penalty. Personally, I'd rather see Saddam executed for his torture and murder of so many people. He was a sick man who needed to be off this planet before he ended up escaping or set free to inflict even more pain on people.
In general, I'd rather see a murderer put to death than to live "comfortably" in a prison for decades. It seems to me that we should redirect the money that we spend incarcerating murderers to help the homeless. After all, why are we "rewarding" a murderer with adequate shelter, food, and entertainment when so many are not afforded the same? The purpose of prison in the US is to rehabilitate not punish, correct?
Just my opinion...
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Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2006 12:23:27 GMT -5
I can understand how people feel so stongly about the death penalty. Personally, I'd rather see Saddam executed for his torture and murder of so many people. He was a sick man who needed to be off this planet before he ended up escaping or set free to inflict even more pain on people. In general, I'd rather see a murderer put to death than to live "comfortably" in a prison for decades. It seems to me that we should redirect the money that we spend incarcerating murderers to help the homeless. After all, why are we "rewarding" a murderer with adequate shelter, food, and entertainment when so many are not afforded the same? The purpose of prison in the US is to rehabilitate not punish, correct? Just my opinion... You've got a good point there... it's a difficult one imo, putting him to death seems to easy, it's an easy escape, yet incarcerating him is a waste of money.
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Post by j.r. on Dec 30, 2006 14:31:48 GMT -5
The punishment for crimes against humanity is hanging. That's always nice.
And they got his 'final moments' on tape too... that's slightly sad I think. We were talking about his sentencing on another board I'm at, and one of the guys broke the mood asking "is this shit gonna be on youtube?" and lo and behold...
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Post by Ryan on Dec 30, 2006 16:19:40 GMT -5
It's hard to know what to think on this one.
Even the most powerful people in the world have to turn over their power at some point. Power is an illusion, because no matter how much you have of it, death will rob you of any power that you might have had. So even Castro will be robbed of his power. Dictators are often afraid of losing their power, but what they are ultimately afraid of is death, because it robs them of the power. And Saddam was indeed a dictator, so in many ways he got his!
In regards to George W. Bush. . . ugh. . . I could write a dissertation here so I won't. Can I just say he's a freaking idiot? That'll do for now. . .
In regards to the "eye for an eye" reasoning, I have to go back to Gandhi's quote that says "an eye for an eye only makes the world blind". I agree with that very much. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I believe in a supreme being (as foolish as that might sound to some), and I believe the province of judgement is left up to Him/Her/It. Human beings are not that great at passing judgement on one another in my opinion.
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Post by Barbara on Dec 30, 2006 17:18:42 GMT -5
I love that Gandhi quote Ryan! I wanted to post it but then I forgot. I was even thinking just a few days ago, about putting it in my sig but then I was thinking that it may be missunderstood in a BLIND Meon Forum context. I also remembered an extract from K-Pax, anyone saw this movie? It's one of my favorite movies!!! Kevin Spacey plays a guy who claims that he's comming from a planet called K-Pax so they send him to a pshychiatrist. At one point when they talk and Kevin Spacey (I forgot character's name) says that they don't know prisons and punishements on his planet, the pshychiatrist asks "then what do you do when someone is not good/mean?" And Spacey says something like "*sigh* you humans, everything has to be an eye for an eye for you, sometimes we wonder how you came this far" Haha, I liked that part. Spacey plays geniously in this movie. I love it. Hmmm...I guess I got a little lost again and off topic? lol sorry. Rutterbtr, you said that well and I think it is hard to know what's the best... I'm sure he'd be pretty comfortable in his little "prison home" and would probably never realise what he's done.
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Post by ELVA on Dec 30, 2006 20:43:34 GMT -5
Personally, I cant believe death penalty still exists in the 21st century.. Murdering people to show them that murder is wrong? Sounds hypocritical to me... Plus, if Saddam is bad enough that he deserves to be killed, then why the hell is Bush still alive? Whatever. You're totally right! Plus the way they kill him was awful... i didnt look the "show" i think thats awful.... ELVA
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Post by Bogo on Dec 30, 2006 20:57:03 GMT -5
I'd rather be hung than tortured like saddam did to those 148 people.
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Post by BeeGirl on Dec 30, 2006 21:20:14 GMT -5
i may think like only a few here, but for me death penalty doesn`t mean that the rest of humanity is being worst that the murderer, or is not the perfect example to stop the violence with more violence. Cause the only thing that this would mean is to make victim feels guiltier than the bad guy. To me saddam or anyone who made what he did deserv the worst, and we all know that these people even if they`re 50 years on prision will never change their personality and retarded mind...this sons of b@% don´t have any right to keep living. here in Argentina we have a very awful situation about 30 years ago, lucky me that i wasn´t born yet by this time, but a lot of people, and i´m telling you about thousands of argentine people dissapear by the different of opinions about the militar government. And then the thing of Foklands (Malvinas) war and a lot of deaths of inocent people, children without their parents, parent without their children.... and most of this militar people are still alive, maybe ones of them living prisioners in their own houses cause are old now or are not sanes, but if you think well they´re iin perfect conditions and with this kind of "penalty" is not enough, the only way that they will alive the suffering of all people that had to spend this years i guess is seing them death, and i think it´s fine...
plz don´t judge me about this, but this makes me nuts... i ask when bad people let live in peace to good people...
kisses Laura
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Post by ELVA on Dec 30, 2006 21:22:31 GMT -5
you're right thats awful too bogo.. but bush did the same to sadam, thas not right either.. that doesnt justify more people die... and why dont we kill bush? how many people have died because of him? thats not fair too... ELVA
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Post by Karen on Dec 30, 2006 21:54:58 GMT -5
In an ideal world we wouldn't have to worry about people being depraved and murdering people. I don't think we will ever get everyone to agree because there isn't a clear cut answer. If only there was no crime
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Post by Marika on Dec 31, 2006 8:46:23 GMT -5
I feel strange about the whole thing, I'm sad, I'm confused...something about it just isn't right, I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but I don't see how hanging him is right. Agreed.
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Post by 8807 on Dec 31, 2006 11:02:52 GMT -5
I don't really know to feel about The death Penalty in the World in general really.I'd have to say that if there is abundant evidence, that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that someone is a serial killer or a Child murderer,they should be subjected to the Death Penalty.Crimes against Humanity is just a given that you will be executed.Man is a Violent Animal really.Chimpanzees & Humans owe that to our common ancestor.I wish we could all get to a point where we don't have to kill each other,until then,there will always be more room on the gallows,electric chair or in the gas chamber. I also wish the U.S. would use it more responsibly though.We've put alot of Innocent People to death.That in it self is a good enough reason to be against the death penalty,so I think it makes sense for someone to be against it.See how I flip flop with it? ...when you talk about destruction,don't ya know that you can count me out,in,out,in,out... John Lennon
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Post by ~*KiwiMelon*~ on Jan 1, 2007 22:25:05 GMT -5
I don't particulary agree with the death penalty either. However I have to say that as a "westerner" I don't feel any right to pass judgement over what the Iraqis chose to do to get some kind of retribution for the horrors that man caused. The States may have been "responsible" for his capture but he was tried in an Iraqi court with an Iraqi judge, he was killed as a result of the death penalty laws that He passed ironically. Including the clause whereby the whole ordeal had to videotaped to avoid conspiracy theories. If Iraqies believe that was the fate that he deserved and I have seen many interviews with Iraqi people now stating they are happy and much more at peace now that he is dead, then I am happy for Them. I can't imagine if someone was responsible for such atrocities and bloodshed in my country and my family and friends were killed as a result that I would be that sad if the person responsible were killed. The same would apply if the American people united and George Bush was tried for crimes against humanity and sentanced to death and Americans were happy with that...then I may not neccessarily agree with the death sentance but I would respect the decision that That country made in response to a situation involving their own people, culture and country. That's just my view. If it were up to me, No one would kill or hurt another person or living thing, we would all be compassionate to everyone and this earth would live in harmony...I'll hold onto that dream
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Post by 8807 on Jan 2, 2007 17:28:58 GMT -5
I'm dreaming that too,Right along with ya ...You may say,I'm a Dreamer,but I'm not the only one...
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Post by Barbara on Jan 2, 2007 17:38:52 GMT -5
I'm dreaming that too,Right along with ya ...You may say,I'm a Dreamer,but I'm not the only one... #yes# I'm with you guys
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