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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 11, 2007 17:42:43 GMT -5
GOD NO. Please don't show her this thread. I'm sorry. She's ill. This isn't something she needs to even be thinking about. I was only thinking about it and IF I ever would (but don't worry, I won't) it would be MUCH later when she'd be alright. Anyways, I hope you all know that Nel is alright now with them keeping the name. Bums, about why we whished she would change her mind...it's not a judgement or anything towards her in case that's what you meant. And it's NOT like we (or at least I) think she SHOULD change her mind. It was ONLY because if she's alright with it, it means she feels BETTER about it and if she feels better we're all happy for it! Happy that this is not something making her feel sad especialy now when she needs nothing but good vibes! Firstly:Sorry, but how the fuck can you say that?? Shannon was a mistake? He RUINED it for ther other members? ? I can't speak for linwoodlarsons but what I understand from his post is that he didn't want to say that Shannon was a mistake, Shannon MADE a mistake which in my opinion, he did. Again, I don't want this to sound like a judgement, we all LOVE Shannon here and besides being sad about the fact he's not here any more, it also makes me angry he let this side of him win and kill him. It's just how I feel, I know a lot of us feel that way sometimes and it's because we love who he was and wish he'd never took his last shot. I'm really sorry I started this whole thing. I realised soon after it that it wasn't a good thing to mention here and I didn't expect it will go on and turn into discussing about it. I didn't think enough before posting. Sorry. Barb, you're extremely polite and thoughtful you really really are. Don't think that what I said was specifically a reaction to what you wrote. It absolutely HORRIFIED me that anyone would think to show someone who is undergoing chemotherapy at the moment a thread where someone insinuates that a mistake made BY HER SON held back a band. Or to show her any thread at all is petty at this point in time. You guys ought to think about this very long and hard. These are ACTUAL AND REAL PEOPLE that you're discussing here and their personal lives and feelings. Anything that is said here or anywhere or anything that someone considers showing or sending to anyone can be hurtful without that being the intention. You know, these are REAL PEOPLE. This isn't la tee da pretend-Melon land. This is a family, this is a life. Not everything is peachy in this world sometimes. And we just can't MAKE it be. I love Nel and while I can't say what she thinks about this or that, I'm not going to read this and not speak up. She is real to me. She is a kind warm giving person who brought an unbelievable gift to this world. And may I remind or inform everyone here that the song Change, which was written by Shannon, is what got the band signed to Capitol records? Perhaps the band wouldn't have gotten where they did had Shannon NOT been there in the first place. Kinda like . . . well, nevermind. But to say such a thing that he ruined it for the other four?? You have no idea. You just have no idea. I'm not saying I do, but neither do you.
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Post by Barbara on Jan 11, 2007 17:46:17 GMT -5
Barb, for fucks sakes dont be sorry ANYONE could have bought this topic up. Yes, but I was the one who did...although we all started discussing it (including me). What's done is done I guess, I just think we all shouldn't forget that NO ONE here has bad purposes or whatever. We all want nothing but the best for Nel and we all imensely love Shannon. He changed our lives on better in so many ways and he amazes me to a point I can't describe. What a talent, it's incredible.
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 11, 2007 17:48:43 GMT -5
Barb, for fucks sakes dont be sorry ANYONE could have bought this topic up. Yes, but I was the one who did...although we all started discussing it (including me). What's done is done I guess, I just think we all shouldn't forget that NO ONE here has bad purposes or whatever. We all want nothing but the best for Nel and we all imensely love Shannon. He changed our lives on better in so many ways and he amazes me to a point I can't describe. What a talent, it's incredible. For fuck's sakes barb. LOL I would love to wager (and I don't wager) that this forum wouldn't even have been a concept in somebody's mind had Shannon Hoon never existed, so to say that he ruined it for the rest, well he made it for the rest as well.
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Post by Barbara on Jan 11, 2007 18:19:02 GMT -5
I think Blind Melon would never exist without Shannon or without anyone else in the band. I know that Shannon is a huge reason why I got into Blind Melon. His voice and for me, his lyrics can't compare to any other lyrics I ever heard. They speak to me more than anything. It's crazy how much they speak to me! And of course, it's not cause I'd live what he did or be the way he was or whatever. But sometimes you just feel as if they were written for YOU! That the whole song was written for you, it fits so EXACTLY to your mood and who you are that you just stay and then and and in the end all you can say is DAMN! #smilieIloveblindmelon# !!!! lol Shannon didn't write ALL the lyrics but he did most of them. The whole band, music, it's a perfection to me.
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 11, 2007 21:36:18 GMT -5
I think Blind Melon would never exist without Shannon or without anyone else in the band. I know that Shannon is a huge reason why I got into Blind Melon. His voice and for me, his lyrics can't compare to any other lyrics I ever heard. They speak to me more than anything. It's crazy how much they speak to me! And of course, it's not cause I'd live what he did or be the way he was or whatever. But sometimes you just feel as if they were written for YOU! That the whole song was written for you, it fits so EXACTLY to your mood and who you are that you just stay and then and and in the end all you can say is DAMN! #smilieIloveblindmelon# !!!! lol Shannon didn't write ALL the lyrics but he did most of them. The whole band, music, it's a perfection to me. i LOVE the way you did all those silly and then and and in the end all you can say is DAMN! #smilieIloveblindmelon# !!!! i am noticing more and more Barb that you are an excellent communicator. #costumed-smiley-047# #costumed-smiley-047#
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Post by Barbara on Jan 11, 2007 21:38:53 GMT -5
that's because #smilieblindmelonforum# and Blind Melon Forum smilies too!
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 11, 2007 21:40:27 GMT -5
that's because #smilieblindmelonforum# and Blind Melon Forum smilies too! OH, i SO am digging these smilies. #blowjob#
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Post by Barbara on Jan 11, 2007 21:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 12, 2007 11:27:02 GMT -5
This one is my favorite too! Hey Barb, there's just one last thing I wanted to mention to you which may explain why, at least ONE of the huge major reasons why I identify with Shannon the way I do. Yes, this is addressed for you Barb because I love you and want to share this with you, and I'm doing it where everyone can see if they wish so that they can understand as well. My brother is a heroin addict and has been for 20 years. He's overdosed several times. We have no idea where he is right now, we haven't heard from him in several months. Maybe there are members of this forum who have had addictions? Not sure? And maybe that's why they might identify with many of Shannon's lyrics. I've had many many good friends who are Melons and whom I've been with at the Vigil who have told me that Shannon had a HUMUNGOUS influence on them and impact on them and their incentive to recover. I can identify in part how Nel must feel. Only in part. Cuz she's a mom and I'm just a sister, and believe me -- HUGE difference in connection even though sisters and brothers love each other unconditionally as well. Or most do I guess. . . It's a very helpless feeling to see your loved one go through such pain because believe me, it's not a party. It becomes an evil trap because there comes a point where you're not doing it to get high anymore, you're doing it to maintain stability. Your body gets so used to the drug that without it you cannot function. I've seen him. I've seen him in withdrawals. I've even given him money to get a fix so he would feel well. Yes, I have. Would I do it again? No. But once you've been there you have no idea how painful it is to see your loved one in such incredible pain. My brother has been beaten horribly by the Chicago police -- for being in a drughouse. He didn't resist arrest. He was there and they felt like giving a beating so he was the chosen one. Now. . . do you think my brother WANTS to be going through this hell? No, of course he doesn't. It's absolutely heartwrenching -- those times, all those many, many times he's been in rehab, crying, wanting to stop because he knows it will kill him if he doesn't. He's already lost everything he's ever had. He had a great job making over 100,000 a year, a really nice home, etc. He has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING now. Who would choose it? No one. True, he is the only one who can change this. So, in a sense you might say that he actually has the power to do so. But unless you've walked in those shoes you have no idea how the disease grabs ahold of you and it's just so damn near impossible to shake it off. You never do completely really, you'll always be an addict whether you're using or not. Has he tried with everything in him? As his sister, I can honestly tell you yes he has. Has he failed? No. I don't say he has failed -- it's a CONSTANT DAILY struggle. It's a disease. This is why people like Robert Downey Jr. and Scott Weiland have setbacks occasionally. Hate to bring their names into this but they're people we all know of so they're easy examples. It is a daily struggle, and sometimes minute by minute. So when someone casually throws out there that Shannon made a mistake which basically ruined things for the rest of them -- well, I ask you -- we've not walked in those shoes, have we? Do you know the pressures Shannon was under at the time this happened? Do you have any idea at all? And for someone who had a penchant for drugs anyway, to have those kinds of pressures put upon him? Do you know whether he attempted to stop this insanity and take the time to take care of himself? Do you? I'll just stop there because I don't want to speculate. I just wanted to explain to you Barb, why this is such a sensitive topic for me. I won't sit and read someone -- anyone -- criticize Shannon for what happened. It's too personal. For Shannon - and his family. It's so personal we can't even IMAGINE how it must feel for them. Also the other band members as well. I'm sure they all felt a profound loss and still must. Plus, as I said, I love Nel and I love her more all the time because the more time I spend with her, the more amazing she is to me -- NOT cuz she's Shannon's mom. Because she's Nel. And that's an awesomme woman to be! A smart woman, smart as hell. Talented, creative, warm and accepting. As she once wrote "I have found that a person can see more with their heart than with their eyes." Yes indeed. She's a real woman I can assure you. And once you've made that connection with her, you see everything just a little differently, with perhaps a more personal perspective. Like a kaleidescope, the more you turn it the more complex it all becomes but it takes all that complexity to create the beauty inside. So there are many different facets to this . . . ones we don't see because we are not IN the situation personally. That's why I ask that everybody kinda leave that particular speculation alone. Unless you've been there you just have NO idea even though you think you might. Hoon Love to Everyone~ Tonya
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Post by Keith on Jan 12, 2007 12:06:48 GMT -5
We have Mr T smiley faces now!! OMG that freakin rocks.
#costumed-smiley-047# Shut up Murdock! Shut up!
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 12, 2007 12:39:18 GMT -5
We have Mr T smiley faces now!! OMG that freakin rocks. #costumed-smiley-047# Shut up Murdock! Shut up! LOL, I know! I found them yesterday Keith!! How ya doing??
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Post by Brandy on Jan 12, 2007 15:09:43 GMT -5
Tonya babe I love ya~as always~And I agree 100% Thanks for sharing~
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Post by Keith on Jan 12, 2007 16:46:31 GMT -5
We have Mr T smiley faces now!! OMG that freakin rocks. #costumed-smiley-047# Shut up Murdock! Shut up! LOL, I know! I found them yesterday Keith!! How ya doing?? I'm good Tonya. Sorry to hear abour your brother #sadwavey#
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Post by Barbara on Jan 12, 2007 18:31:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear about your brother Tonya. And I agree with you. I can't even imagine how hard it must be for someone to get rid of an addiction. I'm addicted to cigarets and yes, it's SILLY! comparing to some other substances but I still can't get rid of it. I didn't know Shannon and never will so I can't tell how much he struggled with his addiction but personaly, I DO strongly belive he did everything he could! I have no doubt about it. Cause HE's the one that suffered the most of it, he's the one who was into it. If he couldn't do it even after having Nico who we all know how MUCH he LOVED and was excited about, then it must have been something REALLY hard for him to get rid of, more than we can EVER imagine. Now another thing. When linwoodlarsons said that he ruined it for the others...I think "ruined" is a word that's a little too strong and by your reaction I'd say it sounds like he blames him or something although I didn't take it that way. But I DO understand why you're senitive about it because you explained it very well! Personaly, I look at it this way: Shannon had problems, the guys stood by him a maximum, as much as they ever could. At least I think so, I can't know cause I don't know the other guys either and I haven't been there. But I belive they are all extremly good people and were Shannon's best friends. Now they met a singer who insprie them, with who they feel that they can finaly move on. Shannon was a horrible loss for them that can never be recovered or replaced. But now they can do a different thing, a new band. The name can help them to get through easier (but I'm not saying this is the reason they kept it! I don't know all the reasons why they did!). Don't we all want a BIG success for them? It's just a name, Shannon Hoon stays Shannon Hoon - best singer and songwritter ever and an incredible person in so many ways! The fact that they keep the name can make it easier for them to become big and therefor it can help them to continue Shannon's legacy. Personaly, I'm sure more people will find out about Shannon and who he was if they keep the name than if they wouldn't. All old melonheads know who Shannon was. And I'm sure new melonheads, the real ones, will found out about it. Even if EVERYONE who will listen and discover the new Blind Melon won't find out about Shannon, there will still be more people who will find out about him than if they wouldn't keep the name. This is my personal opinion. Now, is it really so important that the name Blind Melon is related to Shannon Hoon and other guys only and not to Travis too? Belive me, I can understand, it feels weird, it felt weird for me in the beginning and it still does a little but I'm getting used to it. Blind Melon is a name of the band. Shannon Hoon is Shannon Hoon. For me, there will always be a difference: Blind Melon with Shannon and Blind Melon with Travis. But this difference won't make me love any of those two less. What I also want to say with this, is - let's turn it this way - why look on the negative side - "hating" the fact that the band is keeping the name, why not rather just LOVE Shannon, focus on this, because HE's the one we care about and the band he was in, not the NAME of the band. I take it this way: it's just a name. What's the MOST important? MUSIC, isn't it? Why did we all get into Blind Melon? Because of the music, Shannon's voice, Shannon's lyrics and music, other guys' lyrics and music, the music they all made together as one. It was definitely not because of a name, right? What do I feel while listening to Blind Melon? Something I CAN NOT describe and I'm incredibly happy that I found all of you guys to who I know I don't need to explain and you'll all KNOW what I mean!!! Baaahh, I think I lost myself and I don't know where I started and what I wanted to say in the beginning! I began this whole thing again that we discussed SO MUCH already, I know! Maybe it's a little different than it was...however. But I love you Tonya, so I'm explaining it once again! Even if you didn't ask me to AT ALL and I went completely OFF TOPIC! LOL! One more thing: don't take this (anyone) like something I want you people to convince about or change your minds! This is my opinion and I respect yours whatever it is! I'm pretty sure this is the longest post I ever wrote on this forum! Out of all my 3000 posts! FEEL FLATTERED TONYA!!! THAT's how much I love you!!!
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Post by hoon1234 on Jan 12, 2007 21:23:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear about your brother Tonya. And I agree with you. I can't even imagine how hard it must be for someone to get rid of an addiction. I'm addicted to cigarets and yes, it's SILLY! comparing to some other substances but I still can't get rid of it. I didn't know Shannon and never will so I can't tell how much he struggled with his addiction but personaly, I DO strongly belive he did everything he could! I have no doubt about it. Cause HE's the one that suffered the most of it, he's the one who was into it. If he couldn't do it even after having Nico who we all know how MUCH he LOVED and was excited about, then it must have been something REALLY hard for him to get rid of, more than we can EVER imagine. Now another thing. When linwoodlarsons said that he ruined it for the others...I think "ruined" is a word that's a little too strong and by your reaction I'd say it sounds like he blames him or something although I didn't take it that way. But I DO understand why you're senitive about it because you explained it very well! Personaly, I look at it this way: Shannon had problems, the guys stood by him a maximum, as much as they ever could. At least I think so, I can't know cause I don't know the other guys either and I haven't been there. But I belive they are all extremly good people and were Shannon's best friends. Now they met a singer who insprie them, with who they feel that they can finaly move on. Shannon was a horrible loss for them that can never be recovered or replaced. But now they can do a different thing, a new band. The name can help them to get through easier (but I'm not saying this is the reason they kept it! I don't know all the reasons why they did!). Don't we all want a BIG success for them? It's just a name, Shannon Hoon stays Shannon Hoon - best singer and songwritter ever and an incredible person in so many ways! The fact that they keep the name can make it easier for them to become big and therefor it can help them to continue Shannon's legacy. Personaly, I'm sure more people will find out about Shannon and who he was if they keep the name than if they wouldn't. All old melonheads know who Shannon was. And I'm sure new melonheads, the real ones, will found out about it. Even if EVERYONE who will listen and discover the new Blind Melon won't find out about Shannon, there will still be more people who will find out about him than if they wouldn't keep the name. This is my personal opinion. Now, is it really so important that the name Blind Melon is related to Shannon Hoon and other guys only and not to Travis too? Belive me, I can understand, it feels weird, it felt weird for me in the beginning and it still does a little but I'm getting used to it. Blind Melon is a name of the band. Shannon Hoon is Shannon Hoon. For me, there will always be a difference: Blind Melon with Shannon and Blind Melon with Travis. But this difference won't make me love any of those two less. What I also want to say with this, is - let's turn it this way - why look on the negative side - "hating" the fact that the band is keeping the name, why not rather just LOVE Shannon, focus on this, because HE's the one we care about and the band he was in, not the NAME of the band. I take it this way: it's just a name. What's the MOST important? MUSIC, isn't it? Why did we all get into Blind Melon? Because of the music, Shannon's voice, Shannon's lyrics and music, other guys' lyrics and music, the music they all made together as one. It was definitely not because of a name, right? What do I feel while listening to Blind Melon? Something I CAN NOT describe and I'm incredibly happy that I found all of you guys to who I know I don't need to explain and you'll all KNOW what I mean!!! Baaahh, I think I lost myself and I don't know where I started and what I wanted to say in the beginning! I began this whole thing again that we discussed SO MUCH already, I know! Maybe it's a little different than it was...however. But I love you Tonya, so I'm explaining it once again! Even if you didn't ask me to AT ALL and I went completely OFF TOPIC! LOL! One more thing: don't take this (anyone) like something I want you people to convince about or change your minds! This is my opinion and I respect yours whatever it is! I'm pretty sure this is the longest post I ever wrote on this forum! Out of all my 3000 posts! FEEL FLATTERED TONYA!!! THAT's how much I love you!!! Shit Barb. #smiliepoo# #lol# You never cease to amaze me with your use of the English language. I swear to you, people who have used English as their native language for their WHOLE LIVES cannot write as well as you can, and that's the truth! I really appreciate the way we can have this conversation and not get hostile about it at all. It's because I respect your feelings and you respect mine. We all think differently and that's the beauty of being individuals. #wank# (I love that one). Besides, I agree with every single word you said. #toriwave# [Blind Melon is a name of the band. Shannon Hoon is Shannon Hoon. For me, there will always be a difference: Blind Melon with Shannon and Blind Melon with Travis. But this difference won't make me love any of those two less. What I also want to say with this, is - let's turn it this way - why look on the negative side - "hating" the fact that the band is keeping the name, why not rather just LOVE Shannon, focus on this, because HE's the one we care about and the band he was in, not the NAME of the band.] The only feeling I have that differs from yours (above) is where you said that the difference between Blind Melon with either singer won't make you love any of those two less. I'll always love my Vintage Blind Melon, with my Shannon, more than I will this new deal. That's not wrong though, it's only where we differ. LOL, by the looks of it though (below), I've come off as a Travis hater? I am SO NOT. I love Travis, I doo I doo. And I love the new music, I dooo I dooo. And #smilieIloveblindmelon#. [Now, is it really so important that the name Blind Melon is related to Shannon Hoon and other guys only and not to Travis too?] I don't know how to quote things in part, so I'm just copy and pasting those. #smiliehelp# So anyhooooooons there ya have it! That's the bottom line. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't supportive of the new band. Why would I? #smiliefart# I'm just a Shannon lover through through through and through! #smiliesexydance# Don't forget -- I even named my little guy Shannon - my firstborn! So I'm a little protective, ok, no. I'm a bulldog. #chair# #lmao# But I looooooooove you!!!!! #heart# T
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